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Сообщение Vik » Чт мар 08, 2007 15:27

Видео с оф. форума от Лори (Стефан на выставке машин...автосалоне...или как там это действо называется?) И знаете, что он говорит? "Мужчины приходят сюда посмотреть также и на девушек, не только на машины." Но сам тут же и открестился: мол, это не я так думаю, так думает большинство. :gigi:
Tutta, :wink:
http://savefile.com/files/536840

А вот статья: http://www.blick.ch/auto/artikel57587
В то время как на льду Стефан Ламбьель накручивает свои пируэты в самых что ни на есть сумасшедших обмундированиях (ну, там скафандры всякие), на улице он, наоборот, разгуливает без верха (в кабриолете то есть), даже зимой. А вот эта певичка, которая сидит с ним рядом, с помощью своего жгучего наряда заботится о том, чтобы он не простудился. Вот такие вот дела, девочки... :wink:
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Сообщение Tutta » Чт мар 08, 2007 22:15

Vik:
спасибо за перевод! :D
А я то думала, чего это он там так запинается, странно хихикает и глазки строит :mrgreen: На девушек значит пришел посмотреть :wink:
Кста, а "ла мажорити" - это разве по немецки? Двоишник! :mrgreen:
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Сообщение Vik » Чт мар 08, 2007 23:22

Tutta писал(а):Vik:
спасибо за перевод! :D
А я то думала, чего это он там так запинается, странно хихикает и глазки строит :mrgreen: На девушек значит пришел посмотреть :wink:
Кста, а "ла мажорити" - это разве по немецки? Двоишник! :mrgreen:

Вот он потому и заикается, что двоечник. Или при виде всех этих девушек все немецкие слова позабыл... :wink:
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Сообщение rita » Сб мар 10, 2007 14:28

Вы видели ссылку от лауры на сайте про большую передачу о Стефане?

A discussion about the chance of Stephane winning his third worldtitle from TSR in french, 84 MB

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Сделали добрые люди перевод-СПАСИБО!
Много слов но есть и интересные.Несколько человек упоминают про личные проблемы Стефана.
Ну не козлы ли- или молчите совсем или рассказывайте.
А они навыступались-были личные проблемы но мы о них говорить не будем!
бедный мальчик,этого ему не хватало! :evil:

Перевод первой части:
Dear English-only-speakers, the below translation is meant for you!

It's not a word-for-word translation of the Cafe des Sports video, but it's rather close. That's why I kept the format of a dialogue. Here's Part 1. Part 2 to be followed, tomorrow

Will SL be able to keep his World Title in March? Has he got back his sacred flame?
«I need to digest everything that I have done so far, I need to digest it in order to spring up, I need to go down to the end in order to go forward». This is what SL announced on Jan 17. And this is the theme of our today’s “Café des Sports”

Presented:
1) Laurence Bolomey, a sports journalist from Radio Swiss Romande
2) Jacques Wullschelleger, a journalist from Le Matin, specializing in the figure skating, a biographer of SL who made a publication about him in the Favre 2 years ago
3) Olivier PetitJean, a journalist from the SportInformation, specializing in the figure skating for 3 years now
4) Cristine Blanc, an International Judge, 12 years in the profession, who took part in a number of international competitions, in Dortmund 2002 in particular

Q: What was on the mind of SL before he withdrew from the Euros in Warsaw on the 17th of January, and what is on his mind now, shortly before the Worlds?

Jacques Wullschelleger
SL felt his batteries were low, he didn’t feel the force which is necessary for a great battle. Firstly, at 21 he has already achieved a lot, and secondly, he wanted to better monitor his career. He lacked force, he didn’t feel like competing, and in addition, there were issues on a personal plan.

Q: Do you agree?

Olivier PetitJean
Yes, he’s achieved a lot, he is 21 and he is a two times world champion. He hardly had any time for repose. Over the course of the few months he had to participate in 20-30 galas, he was exhausted, he had health problems and on top of it all there were some personal issues (which are outside of today’s meeting). And there was a moment when it all exploded.

Q: And most of the people thought that he broke down

Olivier PetitJean
To an extent, yes, but it was courageous of him to declare withdrawal, to speak openly about his feelings

Q: And his fans from the Club, did they not pressure him?

Jacques Wullschelleger
He was in need of some time to think things through and channel his energy. He didn’t ask a permit from his Club not to go to Warsaw. Since his childhood, he took decisions on his own. The people were disappointed when he withdrew but no one complained.

Q: There was also a commercial reason - you mentioned it to me over the phone

Judge
This is my assumption to which there’s no proof, so it’s just my own opinion. Right after the Nationals in Geneva he went to Japan to sign a contract. Given his illness – and he had caught a grippe – he couldn’t have gone there earlier. So he rushed there as he had to respect his contractual obligations. Given that the Worlds are in Tokyo, I personally thought that there might be financial reasons behind it associated with the World Number 1 title.

Jacques Wullschelleger
There are financial reasons, but as Oliver Honer told me, the advertising spot for Xerox&Fuji had nothing to do with the upcoming World Championship. The shooting had been prearranged well before that.

Laurence Bolomey
I can’t know what SL really thinks but I remember his words. He said he had realized that the world was not going to stop turning around without him and that he had drawn a benefit from this knowledge. Also, I believe SL wanted to extend the boundaries of his “world”, like for example, Roger Federer. Roger Federer speaks three languages, he is # 1 in tennis and he’s gained a lot due to it. He has got an entourage for himself, created his own World, he is the ambassador of UNICEF, he’s created a foundation. It might be that SL asked himself: “What about the surrounding world”? “How can I extend my horizons?”

Q: Do you think SL could be jealous of Roger Federer’s career?
ALL – No, not jealous

Judge
He wanted to live like the young people of his age live. And the figure skating is the kind of sport which is extremely difficult, it demands countless training sessions for the duration of YEARS. Could he have lived the life of a regular ado, of a regular young man? He may have thought now he could try.

Q: We’ve just talked about what preceded the crisis and 5-6 weeks later SL announces his definite decision to go to Tokyo. That was a surprise to a certain extent, though he never said he would not go there.

Jacques Wullschelleger
No, that wasn’t surprising, whilst the news about his withdrawal from Warsaw was a semi-surprise as we knew he needed a rest and wanted to change his entourage etc. However when he contracted the professionals, one of them an Italian who had already been occupied with Carolina Kostner’s career….

Q: Yes, it’s important; she will be in charge of his career, sponsoring, management…

Jacques Wullschelleger
She will be looking for sponsors In Italy as well as in Asia and Japan. In the past SL’s family was in charge of it, now the two professionals have been added to the team to reinforce it.

Q: Can we say then that SL doesn’t want to be an instrument anymore but wants to become a professional and monitor his career?

Olivier PetitJean
A perfectionist, SL wants to master what he does, and he is eager to create a structure that will be more professional and will empower him with a better control over what is going on.
Personally, I rather think it paradoxical that only 6 weeks after the announcement of his withdrawal (and the words he used when making the announcement were very hard, he said he wanted to discover the world, that he needed a break, a pause. The words he chose for his announcements even suggested an intention to stop his career, at lease, to suspend for a season. And now 5.5 weeks later he has already discovered the world or what?

Judge
SL is a star in Japan where there is Lambiel-mania, where people go crazy for him. Should the Worlds take place in USA or Canada, he might not go there.

Jacques Wullschelleger
I don’t think so. He’s reinforced his team with the professionals; he’s prepared a new short programme. One doesn’t do it for the hell of it unless there’s an intention to go to Tokyo

Q: And have you heard an idea that it is all being carefully planned, pre-arranged in advance?

Olivier PetitJean
SL is a player who he likes to experiment things. He is an “old” player, and considering his personality aimed at success…And he is young, if it’s true, it’s not that bad. He can win.

Laurence Bolomey
I am being skeptical about this idea. When SL said there was no sacred flame I believed him. He is not that tough-minded, he is spontaneous in everything: his tears, his joys, his announcements, I can’t really believe it

Jacques Wullschelleger
He is spontaneous because he is an artiste, but as for his entourage and its method to make a career….SL can make good money inasmuch as the Asian market is large and people love him there. Considerations of benefit do exist, in that the new professionals are very important for SL’s career – they will give it an impetus. I am sure SL had already been thinking about it for one or two months, as it’s hyper important for him, before he broke down the news.

Q: Now, if we sum it up, it had a positive effect, this break, and well managed so far. We’ll see what it will be like in Tokyo

Judge
I think that one’s physical condition is very important as it goes in conjunction with one’s psychological and mental health, one’s considerations of whether or not to go to a major competition. The physical shape is important as it determines what a person is currently capable of performing on ice. A sportsman in his super shape (not necessarily SL, I am generalizing) who does 10 quads per hour on ice, will never say he doesn’t feel it and hence won’t go to a competition. I believe Stephane’s doubts he had in January were somewhat generated by his physical shape and had to do with what he felt when skating. He was very tired at the time and you could easily see it.
I had accompanied him to the Skate Canada in Victoria. He was not in shape. Already then at the start of the season he had plenty of doubts. He could hardly pass his jumps. Hence, I was not surprised that he didn’t go to Warsaw - miracles do not occur.

Jacques Wullschelleger
I talked over the phone with a member of his family who had been watching SL’s training sessions for some time. Some jumps passed OK, the others – Not. There was a nervous crisis. And you are right saying that doubts are indicative of physical troubles. Brian Jourbert faced it last year too, and now he has a new team and he does perfect jumps – 3A and quads, 90% of success.

Judge
A successful long programme which lasts 4.5 minutes is largely dependent on what is on mind. At the start of a programme one must be very confident of oneself saying: I am in shape, it will be a success, I am strong. And in order to feel strong, quads must pass regularly. And if it’s not the case, there are doubts.

Q: Now, let’s get to the theme of today’s meeting: Is it possible for Stephane to win the Worlds?
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Сообщение Vik » Сб мар 10, 2007 16:39

Что-то швейцарцы начинают меня бесить. :evil: Им больше заняться нечем, как сидеть на ТВ и переливать из пустое в порожнее? Придурки! :mad:
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Сообщение Tutta » Вс мар 11, 2007 13:12

Вторая часть марлезонского балета:

Q: Now, let’s get down to the theme of today’s meeting: Is it possible for Stephane to win the Worlds?
Olivier, according to you, if SL ends up in the 2nd or in the 3rd place, it won’t be that bad, right?

Olivier PetitJean
I don’t think he can win. I can see him in the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th place. As I have already mentioned it, he is experimenting, he’s changed his team; there was a break. The break was very short, too short.

Q: What makes you think that SL will lose?

Olivier PetitJean
Brian Jourbert took part in six competitions. He won them all and with a very large margin over the others. The Japanese achieved their personal breakthrough records. Takahashi received 13 points more and Oda 10 points more than SL’s personal best. They have had a fantastic season and they will be competing at home. I am confident SL has a potential to become a world champion again, but not this year. The other skaters have made a much bigger progress.

Q: And what about the Cadandian, J. Buttle?

Olivier PetitJean
Him and the Americans…They demonstrate a wide spectre of technical skills but I wouldn’t say that they are potentially capable of…
If SL recovers his force next year, it’ll be great, but this year, given the break too short, it doesn’t seem realistic in view of the Tokyo championship

Q: So, in your opinion SL is not really in good shape. I think Jacques Wullschelleger is less of a pessimist than you are

Jacques Wullschelleger
I don’t think Olivier is a pessimist. I am confident that talent and genius do not suffice for winning a world title. We’ve been discussing it here and concluded that a sportsman’s physical condition, his current shape is as important

Q: Would you say that artistically SL wins?

Jacques Wullschelleger
Yes, artistically he is the best on the planet at present

Q: You are not taking Plushchenko into account?

Jacques Wullschelleger
He is not competing this year. It makes me sad when I hear people saying now that it was only due to Pluschenko's injury that SL won the Moscow 2005 world championship. I would say, everyone is exposed to injuries. I, therefore, find it very annoying to hear that. SL had a good quality programme and although his performance of the LP was only moderate, the others were far from being perfect too. So it’s part of a game. It’s clear that artistically SL is at the top. A big problem is his technical skills, his jumps. And there’s also a concern, a"blue note" so-to-say which has to do with the Flamenco, an extraordinary programme of genius composed by Najarro. The question is if he’s added more jumps to it or not.

I have a question to Christine Blanc (the judge). The judges haven’t seen either of SL’s new programmes which he is going to perform in Tokyo. I wonder how it may be perceived by the judges…

Q: It’s a good question. Does it count? Is it a matter of principal for the judges to see a programme in advance? Is it really necessary?

Judge
No, it’s not necessary. However, it depends on whom we are talking about. If it’s someone hardy known who turns up at a competition with a absolutely new programme previously not seen, the people won’t be baffled. Stephane's case is different. He is a Star. People await him.

[b]Q: Is he awaited by the judges too?[/b]

Judge
Yes, the judges too, and the competitors – but in a different way. The judges are waiting for SL because they love him very much. The judges differ, of course. There are those who adore SL because he is dear to their heart. For example, should you ask me, I would say that SL is the best and that I adore him. I saw him skating when he was a small boy and then over the course of the years I saw him growing up. I would say that he is our Little Prince and that he is going to win.

Q: So, it’s not risky to present the two new programmes?
There are other judges who are not Swiss but they love SL. I keep in touch with the International judges. They tell me they love him, they miss him and they are anxious to see him again. The phenomenon of two new programmes is of value. It’s great because it makes a stir, it rouses an interest. The people are anxious to see him skating well. I think it has a beneficial effect.

Jacques Wullschelleger
The Judges are going to do the evaluation based on SL’s performance, and not based on the choice of the music which they may dislike

Q: You told me that the programme incorporates two components, the second part being an artistic value. Are there judges who are less sensitive (i.e. indifferent) towards the choice of music?

Judge
Yes, sure, the second component represents an individual choice, it involves subjectivity. Even in dances if you happen to watch a dance competition at Grand Prix de Lausanne you can see that it’s not only the technical skills that are evaluated. The judges also explain why they choose this or that note. For example, “Given the choice of the music, I like this one more than that one”, or "I like it because it involves originality", etc. In the figure skating it’s the same.

Q: Laurence Bomoley, you told me an interesting thing. It was your recollection of the world championships in Calgary and Moscow. When SL skates, even when he skates well, there’s a risk of faults through his joy and happiness that overwhelm him. And it appealed you very much.

Laurence Bolomey
I can’t remember the exact performance when he fell down after a sequence of steps preceded by a magnificent jump. I believe it has to do with his spontaneity. He fell like this only once and later on, I guess, he took care. But it’s true that I loved that beautiful smile very much. It was at the moment when he knew he passed all his jumps. Undoubtedly, he felt relaxed then.
As for the place he may eventually take at the Worlds in Tokyo – Olivier said he could be in the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th place. And you are saying he is not fit now - I don’t think it right to say that a sportsman is not fit if he is in the 4th place.

Q: The 4th – it meant to be in quotes -)))

Laurence Bolomey
I think we should be more careful in this regard. Look, there are skiers whose rank is one hundredth something. They are referred to as nobody but it's not fair. They are not nobody. They are just one hundredth something away from # 1 who is the best. SL is a two times world champion. This is the title that can’t be lost. No matter what place he’ll occupy at the Worlds, he will still be a world champion.

Q: I am sorry I can’t but ask you a question: Do you think it is possible for SL to keep his world title in Tokyo?

Laurence Bolomey
I find it difficult to predict. The entire of the season was not easy for SL who had to stand up to a number of exceptional events. Now, given his withdrawal and his absence in Warsaw, will the idea of having the only chance to win a title this season may pressure him? What will be the shape of the other skaters? In particular, that of Jourbert and of the Japanese who proved their force. Can it be that after a number of competitions they may feel tired now and mentally not that strong? SL said that the galas did him good. It’s also true that he doesn’t feel emotionally exhausted after them. Personally, I don’t want to predict. The figure skating incorporates many aspects; an artistic aspect, a mental aspect, a technical aspect, there is the public and there are other aspects. No, I don’t want to predict

Q: Olivier, I know it was kind of a provocation from you when you told me that so far SL won every time he changed his programmes. Do you think it can be the case this time?

Olivier PetitJean
The change, I don’t know, he changed his short programmes twice. First, in 2005 in Moscow, just before the Moscow championship, and also last year before the JO. Then he won the silver medal which was a really great achievement for him. Now he does it for the 3rd time. Personally, I don’t anticipate too much, inasmuch as there are two programmes and not just one that he has to master. And he hasn’t yet mastered his long programme since it was already the start of the season that he started to work at it, while the programme is very complicated. It is fantastic, it has a magnificent potential and could be evaluated with top notes as it involves lots of complexity, provided however it is well mastered.

Jacques Wullschelleger
His long programme, he performed it at Art on Ice, at galas, he has been practicing it and it’s quite important

Olivier PetitJean
It will be a trial balloon at the world championship

Judge
There was no chance to evaluate it this. At Skate Canada – it doesn’t count because it wasn’t …

Jacques Wullschelleger
At Skate Canada he performed the Four Seasons, it was a Zebra. SL showed the Flamenco only once at a competition in Switzerland at the Nationals but it wasn’t that good a performance. Who knows, may be, Najarro will re-adjust the composition and leave some spaces for the jumps, so that the programme looked better and its level of difficulty were higher

Judge
In any case, SL already did similar things in the past, and within a short spell of time. He is a true artiste and no one can match him in his ability to work at a programme. He is the only one in the world who can change his programme just 15 days or 3 weeks prior to a competition.

Q: Such ability seduces the judges

Laurence Bolomey
By the way, Brian Joubert climbed up to the top now with a very old programme. He won with it three years ago, it’s James Bond.

Q: If Brian Joubert performs the James Bond at the Worlds, the judges may not like it

Jacques Wullschelleger
If SL performs his two new programmes he may have a chance to seduce the judges

Judge
I assure you that at the JO the judges did not favour his old programme. They said: “Oh! No, Brian Joubert is back with his James Bond!”

Olivier PetitJean
And he will still have it at the Worlds

Q: We don’t have much time left. I want someone to explain me the method of notation. You tell me that the current method, specifically in terms of the technical part of performance, is not what it used to be. Why?

Judge
It’s now based on the mathematics. Each element has its fixed value and this fixed value is then summed up at the end of a programme.

Q: Does that mean that there’s more room for a subjectivity now?

Judge
No, it’s a mathematical method and nothing else. The point totals are calculated. For example, you did so many jumps and received so many points. You did so many spins and received so many points, so many sequences of steps equal to so many points etc. It’s mathematics. It is the total of the first note and there’s no ground for discussion

Jacques Wullschelleger
Today the figure skaters who are ranked #6 and #7 after a short programme have a real chance of climbing the podium as the judges evaluate skater based on their individual performance and do not compare them with those who skated before them.

Q: SL may then benefit from it

Jacques Wullschelleger
Yes. He may be the 5th after the short programme and then perform his Flamenco brilliantly and eventually end up the 1st or the 2nd

Judge
Lysacek was the 10th after the short programme at JOl ast year , but he ended up the 3rd

Laurence Bolomey
The new notation system does not encourage the skaters to attempt more jumps running the risk of a fall because falls bring fewer points. Will it potentially increase the number of injuries, in the long run? Is there such a risk?

Jacques Wullschelleger
Not injuries….

Laurence Bolomey
And will it result in programmes simplified? Not that overloaded?
In a sense, programmes are inferior artistically if there are falls.

Jacques Wullschelleger
There may be fewer injuries but fewer proper programmes too.
Brian Joubert passed 3 quads at Cup of Russia. He was the first to perform 3 quads in the entire history of the formal European competitions. He is therefore expected to pass 3 quads in Tokyo, as well as Takahashi, while SL can only go for 2 quads.

Q: It's time to finish now. I can see a prompt message ..

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Уси-пусям несть числа :shock:
Но не верят они в Стефанчика, 2-3-4 место прочат ему.
А я злобно-эгоистично подумала : может и хорошо, если потеряет титул, будет хороший стимул отвоевать обратно, а иначе совсем зазнается и будет почивать на лаврах :ukur:
Впрочем, если Плющ вернется, стимул у него по-любому будет :wink:
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Сообщение rita » Вс мар 11, 2007 13:30

Tutta писал(а):
Но не верят они в Стефанчика, 2-3-4 место прочат ему.
А я злобно-эгоистично подумала : может и хорошо, если потеряет титул, будет хороший стимул отвоевать обратно, а иначе совсем зазнается и будет почивать на лаврах :ukur:
Впрочем, если Плющ вернется, стимул у него по-любому будет :wink:

А когда они в него верили???
В 2005 когда он после операции впервые на трон запрыгнул???
В 2006 когда он травмированный и истерзанный Олимпиадой в последний момент решил ехать на чм??????
Пророчили ему победу-нееееееееттттттт!!!!!!!!
Получили-ДДААААААААААА!!!!!!!!!!!
Одно хорошо- не сглазят!!!!!!!! :bat:
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Сообщение Vik » Вс мар 11, 2007 15:30

Я, честно говоря, во всех этих рассуждениях вообще никакой логики не улавливаю. Они постоянно сами себе противоречат. Хотя слово "seduce" мне нра. :lu:
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Сообщение Vik » Ср мар 14, 2007 18:44

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Сообщение aliona » Ср мар 14, 2007 20:40

Что-то мне верится, что Жубера могут наказать за выбор старой программы. Ну если не наказать, то хотя бы снизить баллы. Ведь в Солт-Лейк-Сити Сале и Пеллетье всё ж дали второе золото, не смотря на "несвежую" произвольную. И это при старой системе судейства. И, имхо, при новой это станет ещё сложнее. Лукавят граждане судьи
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Сообщение наташка-милашка » Сб мар 17, 2007 12:46

Vik писал(а):А вот и видео:
http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/index.html?descen ... ng=lambiel

просмотреть то просмотрела,а как его скачать?кстати,там же много файлов на странице,какой из них тот самый?
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Сообщение катюша » Сб мар 17, 2007 15:21

Ника, ты читала слова Натальи из Швеции?
В конце страницы:
http://www.fsonline.ru/forum/viewtopic. ... 9e567efa7e
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Сообщение Vik » Сб мар 17, 2007 15:53

Стефанчик в Токио! :dance:
http://www.swoopshare.com/file/f4f06fec ... d.wmv.html
Кстати, та же Наталья на оф. форуме выложила.
И ни фига он не крашеный! :D
Я Грюттера только с третьего раза заметила - он так скромненько за спиной у Стефанчика спрятался. :shuffle:
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Сообщение Ника » Сб мар 17, 2007 16:05

Катюша, да, читала, и сразу же все ее видео со странички убрала. Ну не нравится человеку, что его видеофайлы кто-то другой может спокойно скачивать - пожалуйста...

Vik, а на fsvids еще раньше выложили ;)
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Сообщение Vik » Сб мар 17, 2007 16:12

А что значит ЕЁ видео? Она их сама снимала что ли? :confused:
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